tv Right Side With Armstrong Williams CBS November 8, 2015 4:30am-5:00am CST
more, join us. mr. wool see, thank you for joining us, what does the refugee's crisis mean for the united states, not for the short-term but for the ng-term? >> guest: wewe, we're in a real bind here, because we're the only country at has the statue outside of its main port that says give me your huddle, your poor anand masses yearning to be free. the united states has builds in many ways predominantly on immigrants. so we need to be sympathetic to them. on the other hand, coming out of syria and being young men a lot of them unaccompanied by
ar isis operatives inside a come to the united states and trying to come to western europe is real. isis has recently put out a list americans that it wants assassinated that it thinks individual isis members should kill. garden. this is#a real dilemma, but we both want to be open, and friendly to people who want to come here and honestly want to establish their lives and get jobs and so forth, on the otherr hand, we don't want to be open to people who are going to commit terror acts in the united states. and if they're mixed up with one anotheand nobody has any papers, this could be a very difficult thing to sort out. >> armstrong: the pope just wrapped up his trip here this weekend, are you agreeing with
the pope and the president that we should open our doors and allow them come here. >> guest: i think an open door with someononat the door who checks papers, does background investigations, et cetera, sure. but an open door which anybody can come through whenever he wants to, no. we have to do this carefully, and not just, you know, coming out of&the blue, saying,sure, 10,000 folks get to come in and we don't keep track of them any better than we keep track of illegal immigrants or so often legal immigrants now. >> armrong: what are the potential consequences for europe and what should theyy do? >> guest: well europe is even closer than we to having a group of refugees come in fromthat
disruption and difficulties. they're having a serious problems now, and cro kroecia and turkey, and the government, sometimes the people want to come through, through hundred 43 to go tohundredhungry,and sometimes there's a flood of people that are coming to the your poneyour european countries don't have the structure, the manpower, the civil servants or food reserve that are necessary in order to welcome large numbers of people. europe has had a serious problem with this going back a bit, but it's really intensified in recent weeks heavily, because of the syrian war which we could
prevented, but president obama did not follow you there on his original commitment to do that. >> armstrong: are you insin waiting thatinsinuating that the lack of engagement is a reason for this humanitarian disasters. to engage. i think the thing that the president obama deserves more criticism over is back four years ago warning the syrian government that if they used chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction against their own people they would pay a line, they called it the red line. they did use chemical weapons and killed a lot of syrians doing it. president obama ininead of implementing what he suggested, using force against syrians, against the syrian government,
lateraled the whole problem through russia. russians are one of the two emres that have a real interest in having things cut out the way they want them to in the middle east and that was not a good move. one russia is now putting fighter aircraft in the last few days into syria, and will become more and more of a power in the middle east, i think, because president obama backed down, and did not take a firm, a real stand, justt a verbal stand back when the syrian government used chemical weapons. >> guest: you are a yale graduate, and he isalso the chairman for the foundation of democracies, former director of the central intelligence agency. we want to learn more about hat experirice and what we can learn
moving forward. obviously, your experience as a former cia director gives you ts of insights, things that you cannot talk about, and things that you can. aree there any surprises given your of access to secrecy, and maneuvers, and where we were in e world and the things that we saw that were coming? >> guest: well, i'm not involved in the agency's work anymore. but i think being in that job, andsome others in@ the federal government can give you a bit ofof insight into what is taking place in such parts of the world. the thing that jumps out to me right now is that we've got three empires -- >> armstrong: hold the point about three empires. mr. woolsey also graduated from an incredible, university in
and we will be back. >> armstrong: welcome back or honored guest james woolsey director of the central intelligence agency. as we were going to break, you were about to talk aboutthose three empires. >> guest: ifortfirst of all affecting this part of the world, iran wants to rebuild its long lost empire and it is making prprress in doingthat. it has major control in parts, almost all in some countries, lebanon, syria, iraq, yemen, and isis is trying to expand its reach substantially. look at the huti rebels that its backing in yemen that are creating a very seriouss problem
with saudi air arabia and elsewhere. so it is not just a secular empire, it's a religious one. i'd sake it's a theocratic genocidal cooperation, and each of those words have a substantive meaning with respect to iran and not just an exploit. you got the iranian problem, and on the suni side of the spectrum within islam, you have the -- you have isis working hard to establish what they call a calatfet which is agreeing empire, and they have -- they have something that is beginning to look like a state, and that is what they want, because they think it's going to be a lot easier to get people to
immigrate whereemgriotemigratepeople where they want, if they have a state structure. that is the incipientempire, i would call it. and the third one is russia which doing everything it can to expand its control in eastern europe by taking over part of ukraine, and georgia, by taking over part of orgia, and now by moving fire aircrafts into syria syria. it's got real ambitions. it esn't have anything that it does usefully, economically except in the business world, except pump oil. and it needs a high price for oil, $100 a barrel, anan for the rest of us the oil down $40, $50 even below, but at least down there is a lot better for lur consumers, for our economies, and so we have a real interest, i think, that is at odds with the russian desire for
control of the middle east a the russian and iranian desiree for mping up the price of oil. >> armstrong: what do you see bringing it home a little, and it's still impacted what we are discussing right now are the greatest threats to the united states, today, tomorrow and in the future? >> guest: i think one of the biggest is nuclear proliferation, and the potential use of nuclear weapons in e middle east. this agreement that has just gotten signed, and probably will not be disrupted -- >> armstrong: was it signed? >> guest: it was signed back in july, and it's nowbeen submitted to a process of review in the congress. it was rigged at the beginning, so it could get approved with only one-third plus one of the senate supporting it rather than the two-thirds it should have been required, but since it's really a treaty what i thinin
it's something that not going to be effective in limiting iranian power or move toward nuclear weapon and you could even make a case that iran already has a nuclear weapon. they have been working on this problem from their point of view for 25, 30 years, and cheating and lying and doing lots of things and so on. what is going to happen is that they have gotten closer and closer to demonstrating that they got a nuclear weapon. other countries in the region, saudi arabia, turkey, et cetera, are going to say we can't the only ones in this part of the world without a nuclear weapon, we need one two. the other next crisisfive, ten years out, may have two or three countries involved in one way or another, with religious rivalries, hatred of us, but nuclear weapon eqeqpped states.
one of the really damaging possibilities here is that the iranians, and even the north korean before them could put a clear weapon to orbit in a simple satellite over -- at slight orbit that sses over the united states, detonate it up high, 20, kilometers, 200 kilometers, somewhere in between, and that could well substantially destroy our wer grid. we have with an electromagnetic pulse. we have got in that circumstance 18 critical infrastructures in the country, food, watete transpsptation, banking, et cetera, all 17 of the others depend on the electricity. if the electric grid gets taken down for bot just an hour or two,even a day, but weeks to months, you could have a
u.s., and we have to keep iran or northkorea who are the most dangerous countries, i think along these lines in terms of theicraze niece, inies, i think we have to do everything possible to keep them from using if they have one from using a nuclear weapon. >> james woosley isthe chairman for the defense of democracies, and former cia. is there anything in the last#45 seconds, that gives people hope and it's not doom and gloom? >> guest: we've got to take action. and i hope i'm not advocating using military force quite yet, but our best friends on some of this are the people of the country, iran. we have a national alliance with the iranian people. it's their government that is crazy, not them.
opportunities to work with people in other countries, that we haven't exercised. we stood back when the iranians rioted back in their stolen election not monitoring stealing the presidencynd wedidn't do anything about it. the iranians were carrying signs, obama, are you with us or with them? the united states needs to look at these issues like ronald reagan did. what is going to happen, we win they lose.
with more armstrong >> armstrong: you know, the good news is that americans are still very compassionate, very giving, you know, it pulls at our heart when we see what is happening with the refugees across the miles away. is there anything that we can do as americans to prevent this mass migratn? guest: we have to deal with assad and the syrian war. that is what is generating a good deal of it at least
makes it possible, i think that isis is pushing to get as many of its people as possible into the flow of refugees, and we've got to, as i said, we've goto figure out a way to keep that from producing people coming into the united states that can commit terrorists acts. in terms of financial assistance in termsof temporary housing, we and the israelis do this more thoroughly and better than anybody else after disasters, earthquakes in haiti and so forth, there's a lot that can be done, but the problem is that a lot of these people are, are really want to leave syria. they have given up on their homeland, and they want to live somewhere else. the germans have been accepting a number, and -- but it's one thing to deal with a few tens o
100,000 or 200,000, but millions. >> armstrong: that's a change -- i want to be alittle more in your face. >> guest: okay. >> armstrong: you know, recently, about a week ago, president cacaidate donald trump was land blasted for not taking on the muslim question of whether the president was a muslim. i don't believe the president -- hey, listen the president has muslim in his dna, but many muslims believe that they defend freedom. they don't like the terrorm. they don't like the iraqi deal, thth think it's poisonous for their region. just because someone questioned whether the president is a muslim is sot a a bad thing. his fathth is a muslim so he is in his dna. that is a fact. i think the real question that
nobody wants to deal with, when someone asks a question like that, to get with the president according to dna but his policies many people question, who side is he really on? >> guest: well there's a certain tone that comes through around the speeches and middle east and when he went to care owe that care cairo that is saying, i'm a citizen of the world. there's good aspects in being a citizen of the world, there are things we have to think in terms of the world's interests, but the instrumentality that we have to effect in the world, toward the cause of the rule of law and prosperity is the united states. and the government t the united states and what the u.s. can do which is amazing. we conquered three empires in the 20th century.
we did a pretty good job. i think that this is a, a really, really hard situation. i remember president's wife said the first time she had ever been proud of the united states was when he waselected president. well, you know, most of us are proud of united states without having our spouse elected to the presidency, and that's -- it creates all of that a concern, i think on the part of people that none of us really has a great idea what todo about it. >> armstrong: let me tell you. you're a fine american and you have served this country well, and we're honored to have you on today. when we come back, pastor bernard will give us a minute of wisdom and we will eventually
for the next week. remember, whatever controls the language controls the conversation, and the principle is if we fail to define ourselves, we allow others to define us, if we alley others to define us ey will define us by their definition. so jesus knew that this men frying to explain this new phenomenon would stand before those in power, they would need the language to articulate it. they would nene the words to explain it, and this was to a
religious imagination of their day. unheard of that is a group of people form a religious belief around the life, death, and resurrection of this individual jesus the christ. >> armstrong: welcome back. mr. woolsey, your final thoughts, about 30 conds. >> guest: well, this is agreat show. you do a really good job of interviewing and your previous two young men about chase ta chastity is doing a great deal to get messages across, and those who work in an area on national security a chance to explain something, rather than respond in a 30 seconds sounun bite. let me say thanks to the way you are running things. >> armstrong: thank you. you know, i love america more than i've ever loved her. i love this country, i love what